14 Hour HOS Question

Motive is definitely frustrating... Sometimes you have to hit the virtual switch to see hours using the split, other times it does it on own. But that's only on the very first split, after that it doe it on its own.

 

A lot of us old guys did splits on paper logs, and thus have a better grasp on the concept. Trying to figure it out based on how the ELD reacts would be rather an exercise in frustration.

 

Here's what it comes down to, interpretation of the rules and how to implement the rules in any given system.

Just follow the back and forth on this forum on any given rules.

Now run that thru multiple vendors interpretation, as well as multiple customers with thier own interpretation that those vendors serve.

Now wander into the internet with multiple users, on multiple systems driving for multiple companies and you get multiple answers as to how something works.

Bottom line the answer for any one driver is to talk to thier safety department and follow thier policy. Or if you're an independent O/O follow the recommendation of which ever ELD vendor you selected and your conscience.

 

Yes. Using off duty as the long break is fin as long as you didn’t extend your 14 the previous day. Basically at that point you didn’t take a split sleeper birth.

That would not be a violation if you didn’t extend the previous days 14. Also just because you didn’t receive a “violation” on your elog, doesn’t mean you can’t receive one in a roadside inspection. When this law was first changed peoplenet didn’t get it right in the programming, a few of our guys got 14 hour violations for not taking the long break in the sleeper.

 

If you’ve split the first part of a sleeper berth and extended the 14 hour clock by either segment, taking a full 10 or 34 , regardless of berth or off duty resets your 14 or 70 hour clock, respectively. Don’t believe me, point it out in the regs. A full 10 or 34 wipes the clock

 

I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with that. If you drove after your original 14 was over, in the 2-3 hours it was extended, and did not take a 7-8 (or more) hour sleeper break, you violated the 14 hour rule on the previous day.

 

A ten hour break resets both the 11 and the 14 hour clocks. Thus nullifying the need for completing the split.
On paper log it is evident. The problem is that, apparently, the ELD software is not programmed to account for this. All it sees is that the split wasn't "completed" and ignores the fact that the 10 hour break resets the clocks regardless.

 

Ok. Then let’s say you’re in a daycab. You go to work at 1am and during the day you log off duty for 3 hours and you park at 6pm, violating the 14 hour rule. The next morning you leave at 4am, completing your ten hours and resetting your 11 and 14. But this day you pause the clock and don’t get home until 8pm. And this goes on and on all week, violating the 14 every day but taking 10 off duty to reset your clock. Seems kind of pointless to have a split sleeper provision if you’re not required to at least log some sleeper time for one split to finish the split part of the split sleeper provision.

 

You can’t use split sleeper with a day cab, you don’t have a qualifying sleeper birth.

incorrect. You can have a fresh 11/14 and still have violated the day before. None of the systems I’ve used will not give you a fresh clock after 10 off, but you can still be in violation the day before if you drove after your original 14 clock expired.