14/11 hour rule clarification

It starts when you log activity on line 3 (driving) or line 4 (on-duty, not driving) - in other words when you officially start doing something work-related. That time is when you choose to start.

Not quite. Your activities from 0600 - 0700 are on line 1 or 2; personal stuff before you do something work related is on your break. You show a start from 0700 as "driving" - we all show a little line 4 time at this point for a pre-trip inspection. So in this case your duty day would start at 0700, and must wind-up by 2100. Otherwise it seems ok... looks like you'd have a total of 9-hours driving (line 3) and 4-hours on-duty, not driving (line 4.)

Correct... 10-hours to reset your 11 and 14-hour clocks. And whatever in-between that constitutes what you do in terms of driving/breaks/other work.

At Martin-Marietta it was mostly not doing ANYTHING different than what worked on the last rocket that didn't blow-up! Woe to him who changed something!

 

That's what's cool about this job. We are in charge of our own time management (within reason-still have to pick up and deliver on time).

You will start your 14 hour time block day when you decide to move the line down to line 4 for your pretrip. Key phrase is *when you decide to move the line down*. That's sublime brother. Count over 14 hours that's the end of your driving day. Driving as in no more than 11 hours in the 14 hour time period.

You can still legally log on line 4 after the 14 hour time. Just may not drive again until you've had 10 hours off duty line 1 and/or 2. All time on lines 3 and 4 count against your 70 hour clock for the week. Once you hit 70 hours in 8 days you may not drive until midnight (or the tenth hour of a DOT break after midnight) of the 9th day, picking up the hours which you worked 8 days prior that are falling off your recap and now are able to subtract against the 70 hours you had accumulated the day before. Or you could choose to be off duty on lines 1 and/or 2 for a total of 34 hours and start a fresh 70 hour clock for your work week.

 

I've been confused on the 70/8 so if you drive 70 in 8 days does your 70 start after you've taken your 10 or do you have to take a 34 hr

 

Because you are going to go to school I am not going to spend time addressing what will be addressed in detail. Maybe you'll be at some crazy company like me and do electronic logs and not need to use the ruler all the time.

Tagging on to what Scottied67 said above you really can do what you need to do within your 14 hour day. Some days are "Drive Days" meaning you are not starting close enough to your Consignee so it's nothing but drive.

When this happens you can count on a One Hour Line 2 in the middle of my day.

Mostly though I work Vampire Hours and some days I start at 4pm and that's a hard shift for me so you can count on at least two 1/2 hour segments Line 2. I'm sleeping, I cannot do that shift without some rest.

Now as for as your 70/8 ... remember you only count the hours on lines 3 & 4 so if you play your Lines 1 & 2 you can keep yourself working and away from restarts. I however go home every week so I'll take 'em anyway.

Long story short, once you get out there you will see how to best play your time to get the job done and still have a chance to take care of yourself. You forget to do that and you will be dead in a ditch and you best hope you ended up there alone.

Some people hate electronic logs. I prefer them.

 

Well you have a couple of options. First remember that line 3 *and* 4 count against that 70 in 8 days. Some drivers use no more than 9 hours a day (lines 3 and 4) on average and never need to take a 34 hour break and never go over 70 that way either.

IF you did go over 70 in 8 days, no biggie as long as it was no more than 70 driving - you can be on line 4 all day long every day til you drop. Let's back the truck up here. If you worked either close to 70 or over 70 in 8 days, take your 10 hour break plus midnight of the next day (9th day [sometimes the same thing depending when you last shut down]) you can take the hours from 8 days ago that you had worked (lines 3 and 4) and recycle that time into your new day.


Or you could take 34 hours offduty or sleeper or combination of the 2 and start a fresh 70 hour week.

1. 9
2. 9
3. 9
4. 9
5. 9
6. 9
7. 9

8.9

Here I have shown a driver worked 9 hours a day for 7 days for a total of 63 hours. So he has not gone over 70. on the 8th day at midnight or after his 10 hour break thereafter, he may run up to 9 hours again. Technically would have 16 hours available against the 70 if he needed a full 11 hours driving.

But the idea is to show you write down your 3 and 4 every day and subtract them against the 70 so you know what is available tomorrow.

When I first started I mistakenly thought 34's were required every week. I would get bombarded with trip plans on the qualcomm for loads I could have taken all day long and made money but I turned them down consistently and ignorantly. I'm catching on now and my paychecks are reflecting that

 

Once your 70-hour clock runs out, you have to stop driving or working off-duty. At midnight, whatever hours rolled-off of the back end of the recap are then available in the next duty day. To get all 70 back, you must take a 34-hour restart.

Here's an example... say you started with a 34-hour restart over the weekend...
Used Today Available 2moro
0... 70
Mon 10... 60
Tues 8.5... 51.5
Weds 11... 40.5
Thurs 10... 30.5
Fri 9.5... 21
Sat 11... 10
Sun 9.5... 0.5
Mon...

So on Monday, you have 0.5 hours available at midnight. At this point you can start a 34-hour restart, or wait until Tuesday morning when the 10 hours you used the first Monday in the example again become available to you at midnight. Hope that's clear... looked better when I entered it.

 

yea i remember going over all of it in school but it's confusing that's the only part that is still a little rocky for me. so if you wait till tuesday morning in that example you can drive 10 hours but then what happens after that? sorry if i sound like im asking stupid questions but i just wanna be able to really understand this and i know i'll learn more come next week when i go with a trainer

 

If you didn't use that extra half hour on Monday (why would you... its a day off!!! - YEAH!!!) you'd have 10.5 available for use Tuesday.

What happens next? It just continues to roll over. Whatever you didn't use today plus the hours that fall off of the back end become available for use the next day.

Say you didn't use the 0.5 plus the 10 is available on Tuesday for 10.5 available. You work 8.0. Now you have the 2.5 that you didn't use plus the 8.5 that rolls off of the back end for a total of 11.0 available midnight Wednesday. Its a rotating bank of hours at that point.

 

That was very well done IronPony. I would have needed about 30 pages to get that across.