The engine brake on our 2001 freightliner with pre egr Detroit 60 series has been weal since day one. It seems to apply progressively and then sometimes still won't hit on all cylinders. The issue seems to get worse in warmer and colder temps.
Dealer says they don't know without spending 8 hours rebuilding it. They haven't ever fixed anything on this truck though anyways, just a lot of wasted money there for them to diagnose issues and want to throw parts at it. End up taking it to the KW dealer when we can.
Looking for a starting point basically. Is it electrical?, computer? Mechanical?.
My knowledge isn't very great on these but IIRC they are actuated hydraulically correct? Could there be something wrong there causing it to slowly build up proper pressure? The temperature affecting it would make sense too. Could be way off though.
Thanks.
00 60 series engine brake weak
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by durallymax, Jun 13, 2012.
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Might need to be adjusted,could have a leaking or bypassing selinoid,or could have bad ground
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First things first, have the overhead run on it to make certain all adjustments are correct. If that is ok, before its put back together have the jake spools rebuilt. The part where not all cylinders are hitting sounds like electrical at the jake head itself, more than likely one of the spool wires came off, the tech should watch for this on disassembly.
I run a 97 12.7 and they are triggered electrically and function off engine oil hydraulic. I am not much on dealers either, you might look around a bit. I am very lucky, here in my little town an old high school buddy ran the Detroit shop in Missoula,Mt for years starting out as a mechanic. He moved back and now runs his own shop, unless it is a dire emergency nobody I mean nobody but Larry or me touches my engine. Ask around some, there may be someone enroute on your way home or one of the lanes you frequent that really has it together. Larry rebuilt my spools and ran the overhead at the same time and it really made a difference, this stuff comes on so gradual that it is hard to know sometimes.
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i have a 12.7 430/470,2003, and the jakes were intermittent at best(working 50% of time) and weak for sure.turned out to be a wiring harness.we then had overhead run and jakes adjusted during that which is part of it i know.wow.lots of difference.mpg's up as well now but still rather poor.i am going to learn more regarding getting my ecm"flashed".
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The fact. That its every single time it progressively applies makes me question if its electrical. Now the missing on a cylinder or two at times could be but I can't see the electrical side being the only issue.
The fact that the truck only runs within 30 miles from home leaves us limited to our home area. The independent guy we take the stuff to for some things prefers to not work on the Detroit's. The KW dealer will, but also prefers not to due to their limited experience with them. The freightliner shop hasn't been impressive. The sterling shop may be worth a try, I'm sure the Pete shop wouldn't have much desire to work on it again due to limited sales/ experience. There is a couple other independant shops around, one I know used to do alot with the old Detroit's.
I do have the factory manual for the engine. Maybe ill scroll through it and see if I can find the procedures and well do it ourselves.
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How much 'braking force' should I expect from the compression brake on the S60? Mine doesn't feel like it's braking as hard as I think it should or could.
As a point of reference, loaded to 75K gross descending a 6% grade in 9th (10 speed) starting at 50mph with brake fully on, I reach 55mph and have to stab brake back down to 50mph every 15 seconds. Normal, or weak in your opinion? -
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