Last week the FMCSA proposed a rule that would mandate the use of Electronic On Board Recorders (EOBRs) in every commercial motor vehicle in the county. The rule also noted that there would be safeguards in place to prevent the EOBRs (also known as ELDs) from being used to harass drivers. The FMCSA has outlined those proposed safeguards, eight in all, that are supposed to stop driver harassment. They are as follows:
Drivers Must Have Access To Their Own Records – This would allow drivers to see copies of their records on or through the EOBRs. It would also allow drivers to request copies of their electronic log data from the company at any time during the 6 months that the carrier is required to keep records for.
Explicit Ban On Harassment – This safeguard explicitly states that carriers may not use the EOBRs to harass drivers. Harassment is defined in the rule as “an action… involving the use of information available through an ELD… that the carrier knew or should have known would result in” a driver driving while fatigued or sick.
Ability To File Complaints – There will be a specific process by which drivers will be able to file complaints of harassment. It also ensures that drivers will have control of the EOBRs in order to take notes about specific times or instances that they want to submit complaints about.
Stronger Penalties To Prevent Harassment – There is no specific penalty discussed except that harassment would be considered a violation of HOS rules.
Ability To Silence Device When Off Duty – This safeguard allows for a driver to silence any communication received through the EOBR when they are in their sleeper berth.
Right To Edit Logs – Editing a log will not change any data that has been recorded, but will instead annotate that there recorded data may not be accurate. Any edit that is made by a driver must be approved by their carrier and vice versa.
Limited Tracking of Vehicle Location – While location recording is an important part of EOBRs for fleets, the FMCSA is not proposing to use real-time tracking. Instead they will require that location data is sent when a driver changes status, when the truck powers up or shuts down, and once every 60 minutes while the vehicle is in motion. Location would be accurate within an approximate 1 mile radius when on-duty and a 10 mile radius when off-duty.
Personal Data Privacy In Enforcement Proceedings – This would protect any personal information from being released to the general public that may have been recorded from being disclosed during any enforcement proceeding.
The steps outlined here may help in preventing driver harassment through the use of EOBRs, but no one knows yet how effective they will be.
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This is BS. More Overregulation. I am boycotting the FMCSA this year for truck check 2014 if they want to see my truck they will need to stop by my house with a search warrent.
Ok, I’ve read the post (at least some of them) and still don’t understand why everyone is so upset about this issue.
If you have a Qualcomm your company knows where your truck is located. If you’re on a 10 hour break your dispatcher can’t force you to drive. If he/she does it’s because you let them. If you don’t know how to say NO you need to learn. Oh but you worry about losing you job. If you’re a good driver with a good record you can drive for anybody. Next, some will say, ” but if I change companies my per mile pay goes down or my benefits get screwed up”!! To that I say ; Stop complaining!! You control the truck. If you are “forced to drive tired” it’s your own fault. Accept the responsibility. Stop whining and looking for others to blame. If you wreck cause you’re driving tired it’s on you,not dispatch,not the company.
As far as looking at your logs, why would it matter if your legal. If you have a Qualcomm the company knows when you started and stopped. E logs make your job easier. No you can’t cheat them but your dispatcher can’t either. O/0 don’t want e logs cause they can’t cheat on them. I’ve heard them say “oh I can’t make a living on e logs”. Really? Then you’re doing something wrong.
In a nutshell, you chose this line of work. You can’t blame anyone but yourself. Accept the responsibility for that decision. Good luck and drive safe.
Robert, it is the arrogance and ignorance of people like yourself that has made a lot of good drivers pull over or sell their trucks. Don’t get me wrong there are still good drivers on the road, but that list is slimming out. It is not just this rule that these drivers are fed up with it is all the rules, made up by a bunch of over paid FMCSA workers that have never been behind the wheel of a big rig and know nothing of the issues faced on the road, I can say the same about you. This arrogance is the exact reason I believe drivers should park their trucks and let idiots like you stew on it when store shelves go empty. People like you don’t appreciate the fact that truckers give up their lives with their families to supply you with the necessities of life, many making only minimum wage with no wage increase since the 70s as some Owners operators can make as little as 2000.00 a month after expenses, if they are lucky enough not to have one of the many DOTs fines shoved down your throat. And you hope to god you don’t have a DOT agent that is on a power trip. Would you appreciate paying a fine for a plastic brake airline because it was rubbed down to the second layer, no hole. What do you do, sit on your butt in an office and make up rules off the top of your head on an issue you really know nothing about. If you can’t understand the issue by now then obviously you aren’t looking very hard. If you had a lick of common sense you would know that these drivers are getting tired of haveing all of these rules shoved down their throats. If you believe these rules are made up to ensure the safety on the road then you are mistaken. Do you actually think a driver feels any less tired sitting in the bunk of their trucks for 10 hours because they were forced to pull over when they aren’t tired? Do you think if they are not tired they will sleep? How do you know they won’t spend that 10 hours in a coffee shop? Can you sleep if you are not tired? All questions you should ask yourself. With the government rules chasing off experienced drivers only to hire on foreign temporary workers to do the same job, could this not be an issue with safety on the roads. How about during the winter, do this temporary foreign worker get enough training to say they are safe on the road during a winter storm.The statistics on accidents involving semis never tell you who is responsible for the accidents, but I am sure you would be one of those that would be the first to point your finger. Did you ever consider all the four wheelers on the road where the driver is driving tired, as it was mentioned on the radio many accidents involving 4 wheel drivers are due to the driver driving tired, but yet you hypocrites like to stereotype, it is only truckers that drive tired. The next issue is putting governs in big trucks this to ensure drivers don’t go over the speed limit. Maybe it should be mandatory that all new drivers are governed for 5 years and anyone caught speeding a mandatory govern, it’s all good if you like living in the nanny state the same rules you expect truckers to live by.But yet hypocrites like yourself don’t see the issue when it is not effecting you. Also if you think that a driver with how little they make, especially if you are an owner operator can afford to go down everytime a carrier wants you to do something that could cause you a fine then I would have to say you are a complete moron. Driving over hours, pulling a load that is to heavy because the closest place to scale your load to see if it’s to heavy is a DOT scale, and you just so happen to have to go by it. Governments don’t make it mandatory to have a scale where you load or in the vicinity, they have even shut down scales, making drivers drive up to two hours to find the next scale, do you drive back the next to hours in order to remove some from your load or do you keep driving. if you think a truck driver can just pull a truck over anywhere and go to sleep then you are mistaken, governments are shutting down road side pull outs making it harder to find a place to park, some fuel stations are charging to park even if you have purchased fuel. Truckers can’t afford the thirty dollars a night to park their trucks, besides they are not on a holiday which some idiots would choose to believe. Maybe if carriers were more accountable in the way of fines a lot of these issues wouldn’t be issues. There has also been an issue with 4 wheelers pulling in front of semis and applying their brakes in order to cause a law suit, it had gotten to the point that police officers were driving semis in order to catch 4 wheelers breaking laws, only to find out that 4 wheelers are more accountable for the accidents on the road then Semi drivers. So think about this, you same idiots believe the government has the right to enforce the rules of the road on all truck driver, are the same idiots that if those laws were enforced on you would all whine like little girls. These are all the same laws 4 wheelers break everyday.
I second everything HLeeming wrote above. I am one of those drivers that got tired of the BS and went on to College and now do something completely different. But I miss trucking the way it used to be. Occasionally I drive for an agency on the weekend part time just to enjoy the feel of the wheel and the joy of backing a rig into a tight spot. But no one will pay me enough to go back on the road and deal with the aggravation of the DOT, and the Police acting as de facto revenue collectors for local governments. It got so ridiculous that, like HLeeming said, they would look at a smudge on a rubber, steel enforced cable, as a safety violation. Additionally I took exception to being treated by the various authorities and legislators and the trucking corporations as a stupid, crazy and irresponsible monkey. Sure we violated rules of hours of operation. I admit to it and am not ashamed in any way or form. The rules were irrational and didn’t take into account the aspect of human physiology and psychology. Also the value of spending time away from home, family, friends, cultural and social life, the value of spent health etc is much higher than minimum wage, and you follow the log book to the tee, that’s what you make, or even less. Had the rules been smarter and had the drivers been paid accordingly to their actual work load, hardly anybody would try to fool with the logbooks. So now when they bring in the e-logs they better start paying more and for all time spent on the road, or more and more drivers like me will hang up their keys. But then maybe that’s the whole idea. The trucks are getting easier to operate, pretty soon they will drive themselves and perhaps even back in to the dock, and the driver will be only needed to open and sweep the trailer. So a monkey will do.
Amen hleeming i so agree,i work for a owner op who has 3 rides an these certain hands out there r makein it very hard for most of us who do stick with makein a professional decision of knowin when to stop when tired or havein the privilege to cruise at the speed limit or rework a log here n there,it all boils down to lack of training these companies giving that put us where we are
say robert if you are a trucker which i dont think so why dot you ask your boss to up your pay to a minu of 1600 a week and see what they say about that
right on, I totally agree with what you had to say, congrats.
Hleeming.Isupport you 100%.Especially 10 hours requirements. Sometimes I want to go to sleep after 1st hour of driving . Sometimes my body clock sets different hours. We are all different. For God sakes give us some freedom.
If you look at sleep patterns around the world, western Europe and North America are the only places where it’s stressed that you need 8 solid hours every night. Most of the rest of the world sleeps 4-6 hours at night and a few hours in the afternoon. They get along just fine even though they should be falling down dead from exhaustion according to our “experts”.
Robert it amazes me when guys like you chime in. Do you really think this is going to result in fewer accidents. I can show you data that shows the exact opposite. Guys on elogs have a tendency to rush because they’re up against that clock. So lets say your getting loaded and they take all day. You gotta deliver in Brooklyn at 1am. No way you can do it and take a full 10. As an OO my word is on the line. They don’t give 2 shits if you were delayed. It’s your business and you made a commitment to be there. I can’t just call the company and say sorry. These are things that happen all the time in trucking. How arrogant you are to think you know all aspects of trucking. Van flat step rgn car hauler reefer…they’re all different so quit trying to push your agenda on the rest of us because you lack the fortitude and motivation to get out here and own your own equipment. No other industry does the federal govt tell someone who is self employed how many hours he can work. I have never taken any kind of a hit on a safety inspection logbook inspection or had a ticket. So explain what the reason is that I need big brother to watch me.
I think all cars should have elogs too. That way every time you get pulled over a cop can hook up to the computer. Oh I see you didn’t stop completely for that stop sign last Tuesday. And I found 27 times where you were going 3-10 miles over the speed limit. Guess you were “fudging ” that speed limit and that stop sign. Here’s your tickets. That’ll be $6000.00. You think the American people would put up with that?
I guess they want to shutdown the trucking industry
kind of scary would you not say they are admitting that truck are being harass and have to start putting laws into place to protect us from the law and the people who enforce it.
This isnt going to prevent anything its going to make things worse. Nobody knows how it will effect drivers? What a laugh. The more rules you give companies to wiggle around in ,the more distorted a drivers life is going to get. I dont see anything in this that will prevent some 22 year old dispatcher from killing one driver after another with a devilish little grin on his face. The reality now is when there is a truck wreck it is usually accompanied by a three hundred foot tall column of black smoke. Drivers are engaging in a kind of arbitrarily created and enforced etiquette that produces no desireable result other than busy work for busyworks sake. At no time in american history have our leaders had there heads further up their own butts than right now. What reality are we being distracted from? Possibly a failed financial system and the most massive cover up ever? Good luck going to an electronic log book and actually ever making more money than you showed up with. Its just a clever way to keep drivers” beating off at the banks of the river.” (Thats an obscure biblical reference that doesnt mea
n what you think it means)
“While location recording is an important part of EOBRs for fleets, the FMCSA is not proposing to use real-time tracking.”
Yeah right, the gubbmint would never do that would they? LMAO!
Can you say NSA!
Can someone let me know by email when or where the first open, public statement/forum/question and answer for this woman. I want to have my turn to try to put some sense into her head I have had enough. Speed limiters and Elog’s… It is time to begin to SERIOUSLY take a stand. We are the country, we move the products. If we can put all the BS aside for a week, tell this Regulatory FMCSA 4th branch of our Government to kiss your A. Start Blowing your Senators and Congressmen. If they will not give you a verbal commitment to stop this. Help get them thrown out. It is time to do something, they have a government take over of health care and now its transportation. We have got to stop this, this is Tyrrany and if you don’t see it that way your a fool.
It does not matter where and when listening meetings are. They did not listmen last time when we said ” WE NEED FLEXIBILITY TO STOP CLOCK ” what they do ?? mandated a 30 min break.. Lmao.. its a joke. Its all political. Its over
” Start Blowing your Senators and Congressmen.”
I literally LMAO. Really… its rolling around my sleeper berth floor right now. You may have actually stumbled upon the only way we might be able to get our “representatives” to listen to us and pass some laws based upon reality rather than some appointee’s random guess.
Meant blowing up there phone at there office… Kinda tired
oooops.. hilarious.. don’t you hate it when that happens lol..
Stop driver harassment? Really? Isn’t that what both DOT and FMCSA promised congress and drivers when they pushed for the EOBR from the get go? Why yes they did do just that. Has it stopped to date? Nope. Will this new mandate stop it? Surely not. I wonder why the author of this article did not get into the specifics of what HAS to happen before the harassing company gets punished? Gee I wonder.
FMCSA only posted an outline of proposed anti-harassment rules. I’m not sure what your theory is about why I didn’t get into specifics, but the bottom line is that specific information hasn’t been made available yet.
This has got to be the last straw!!!! This should make a lot of O/O shut down and stand up!!!! Looks like the government has accomplished their goal of running the O/O out of business. This is a dictatorship and a violation of our civil rights on so many different levels but no one seems to care about that!!!!!! sounds like it’s time to find a different country to live in or a new career.
I agree..
O/O should indeed shut down. Unfortunately we have the likes of J.B. Hunt and Werner that will be glad to pull any freight we dont pull. Instead we need to convince,cajole, BEG ALL the fuel trucks to shut down. With out fuel NO ONE ROLLS… Thats the bottom line. the fuel stops would be out of fuel in a matter of HOURS. Its literally that simple. SHUT DOWN ALL THE FUEL TANKERS AND ALL TRUCKS SHUT DOWN… Our President doesnt care about America much less her truck drivers. And all these so called law makers dont have a clue what it takes to drive a truck much less SAFELY drive a truck. I Pray that something happens soon or the ” Little Man” meaning the small mom and pop operations and the O/O are going to be forced out of business in favor of the larger Super Seven type companies. And we can dang sure bet the likes of JB Hunt and Werner are NOT going to stand behind a nationwide shut down. Like I said SHUT DOWN THE FUEL TRUCKS AND NO ONE WILL HAVE A CHOICE. Without the fuel NO ONE ROLLS. God Bless America and Her TRUCK DRIVERS … Oh and we have a President that could care less about our very own Military. That being said we dang well KNOW not to expect him to give a damn about us drivers…. He dont care about America for that matter either. So we can be assured of no help or sympathy from THAT direction….
Move to Canada, it’s not that bad there. At least you will stay out of jail.
Fleets constantly use qualcom to harass new drivers… This law is a godsend. The best part is that if they know something is affecting your level of exhaustion, they can’t ignore it. Companies, even managers, have ignored complaints across the qualcom for very serious issues.
Anybody who thinks managers should be able to ignore fatigue is basically delusional. Research shows that after 17 hours of being awake, you might as well be drunk. I teach drivers for a living, and new guys will start to driver erratically after only 11-12 hours since waking up, many times in less than 8 hours of getting up.
As far as I’m concerned, anybody who doesn’t believe in protecting workers is basically insane.
Congrats for your remarks.
You are correct, anti harassment rules should have been put in place when the qualcom was invented. I spent six months with the “no more paper logs” mega carrier where harrassment and logging fraud are an artform. But an ELD on every truck is absurd. I use paper logs as an O/O and I run legal 99.9% of the time. The exceptions are always shippers who waste incredible amounts of my time with absolute impunity. If we’re gonna have ELDs then we need another regulation that allows drivers to report shippers who who bust their clocks and penalties for the bad actors who do. I have a black list of shippers will not haul freight for but company drivers don’t have that luxury.
there is a company in NM that knows you can cheat the EOBR…..they set it up that way!
The government just reaching deeper into our pocket. Electronic logs eat hours. This give them full control over drivers. As for harrassment, that is a pet peave of the D.O.T. If drivers don’t wake up, and stand up and say no to DC, then expect a 500.00 week, for your 168 hour week. I have 9 years till retirement. An EOBR is a deal breaker for me.
I have quit three companies in my career over driver harassment issues. All three had electronic logs. All three could see what hours you had. It didn’t matter that I was tired. “You’ve got hours, you need to be driving!!”
The thing is, companies have customers breathing down their necks about scheduling and ontime service. Pay a steep fine to the DOT for harassing a driver, or risk losing a customer? It’s going to be the driver who loses every time.
Sure, log us electronically. Keep us honest. But set it so that companies CANNOT see our logs until we drivers have approved them. Just like before, the company got your logs when you sent them in with your trips. They depended upon the driver to TELL them what hours they had from a day to day basis. They didn’t have a method for continual monitoring.
Plain and simple, the DOT is messing up trucking. They say they’re saving lives. What was it SHE said? “If if saves nine lives annually!!”
Yeah, while people out there in cars are killing each other by the hundreds annually.
We’re a politically convenient target. We’re big and scary. We make people in charge look good when they can make us look a little less scary. It is about the people in charge ignoring the ants while letting the elephant walk all over them.
We truckers and what we do are the ants. The elephants are how people in cars kill and main one another every single day. We make the national news when someone is killed in an accident with us. People in cars are lucky if they get a 5-minute spot on their local channel.
Stop being so politically expedient, DOT and start running your department with some attention to the REAL facts. You do that and we truckers would be heralded as how safe we really are – not people to be harassed, badger, monitored, and most of all, feared.
Great comment. I agree on every point.
I for one am 100% against the eobr’s. I don’t think they should mandate them in EVERY truck. I drive for a small company, only work 4 days a week. A little over 600 miles a day. We have another driver who jumps in where I leave off and works my truck on two days, and a straight truck the rest of the week. I can run legal all except the 10 hour down time between the two day out and back runs. But I do get 6 to 7 hours sleep each night, which all I have ever gotten in my life. To get out product to its destination, and getting the back haul I pick up back to where it goes twice a week on schedule doesn’t allow for that down time. I get one day off between the two runs and 2 days off at the end of the week, so why the hell should I be kept sitting some where wasting my time when I could be heading back home to do things I enjoy doing?
That is a problem repeated a thousand times a day. Companies and customers creating loads that can’t be made legally. Is your truck governed? If so, maybe they should turn it up. Oh wait, that would affect their bottom line. Why risk profit when they can risk your career instead. Quite possibly, yours is one of the scenarios this new rule is aimed at.
Having access to my records is available now. Qualcomm and Peoplenet both have a website you can visit and download your logs.
Harassment is a two way street. First, I wouldn’t work for a carrier that practices it and second, I can get sick or have a flat tire at a moment’s notice which would make the load late. The more they harass the more loads are late and, if they fire me for being sick or having faulty equipment they now have a lawsuit on their hands.
I have a piece of electrical tape over the beeper on my Peoplenet and when I shut the curtains I can not see it or hear it. So, its off.
If I can’t edit my logs either with me doing it or the company doing it (not the driving line) I would immediately tell them I would be contacting the DOT because THEY are submitting false logs. That usually opens up some ears.
I like that my Peoplenet tracks me. Should I go over a mountain somewhere at night with nobody there to see it, at least they can find my body sometime the next day.
Any personal data gathered at an enforcement is easily available at your local DMV where Shenaynay works behind the counter and would spill the beans for more bling bling.
Bottom line is this; you have the keys, you drive the truck. If you accept the responsibility for a load deliver the load on time unless some outside force prevents it. Don’t take any crap from anyone. The company spent a small fortune on you to get you hired and most companies can’t keep drivers or hire enough drivers. Do your job and life will be good to you.
The government is never going to stop messing with us. I have said this numerous times and most of the time been agreed with, as far as logs go, most drivers would settle for the 14 hour day just do away with the 60/70 recap and let us work as many days as we want and let us decide when feel like we need a break. I might be wrong but, I also think the majority of the people that come up with this stuff have NEVER done what we do. I’ve been on the road for over 40 years and when people ask me about driving and being away I tell them, “You have to really love to drive and have the patience to put up with a lot of bullshit.” It’s never going to end.
Ask Ann Ferro. she’s an expert.
I have a couple thoughts on this and they are that the greedy big company’s are doing this to put the O/O’s out of business that’s all this is. It’s about money and were it’s going and unfortunately it’s not to the drivers. I’ve noticed this happens in every area of business for instance big car dealerships will pay politicians to put up laws and regulations requiring all kinds of licensing that cost all kinds of money so as to put the little dealers out of business and keep them from giving the bigger dealers competition.. Big trucking company’s are paying politicians to put so many laws and regulations to the degree that it’s putting the o/o’s out of business thus allowing them to make more yeah that’s right money.. Government these days are just tools for the big corps. It’s a sad state were in.. Maybe if are one of our requirements when electing officials into office was that they had to number 1 be men or woman of character and honor who are not given to taken bribes we wouldn’t have these issues I bet. This is what happens when God’s not a part of our country, lawlessness takes over. When God’s not the center guess who is? Anyways just my theory on the subject..
This is exactly it. Big business pushing to throw up more barriers for the little guys to stifle competition. Large carriers buy this equipment at a large discount as well as the monitoring. O/O will pay the full freight thereby increasing their costs. I’d like to see the figures on accidents related to EOBR equipped trucks vs non. I’m betting “safety” is not enhanced by having one.
Check Public Citizen, MADD/PATT, etc. onto your list for who’s driving this… Also ATA!
Also truckers are driving this. We have the number one responsibility for this as we have no one to represent us fairly. 36 years at the wheel here…currently running doubles. But my state and federal rep just send me e-pamphlets and speeches made up by office help ..
CY0a and that is what happens….. no one will watch out for the whole of us.
These EOBR’s are just the latest in a series of regulations all designed to keep bureaucrats in their jobs. Sure some regulation is needed of the industry. But, the vast majority of the regulations put in place or proposed since Obama was installed as the current occupier of the WH are all a result of the mega-carriers pushing for them. The mega-carriers can afford all of it, the little guy (and especially the 1 truck fleets) cannot. They’re ALL designed to strangle competition until only the super-sized carriers are left. Tags, IRS2290, IFTA (there’s a joke), all a major burden on the little guy.
I doubt that anyone would or does disagree with issues that truly are related to safety. If that were the case then the current state of those electronic devices has to go. That’s because the device can only state my hours available to work, not when I’m tired and too tired to drive.
Also how is it possible for ppl to regulate this industry without getting the facts from the actual drivers in this industry?…the owners of the companies maybe used to drive, but they only care about their pockets and can easily replace a driver. It amazes me how drivers are so selfish to not want to organize to fight against the suits who only care about making money off of our backs. Organize and shut down the industry till the suits really want to listen and implement what we know works.
say abdul?…. ever heard of the American Indian. They were quite effectively put in their place in their day and time.Who represented them? No One!
What’s to stop the FEDs from doing the same to us?!
Cherokee/Osage here.
So PARK IN PLACE…just one day….if the government escalates with threats..add another day or two… banks fail after three days….groceries at 3-5 days…. hospitals at one week.
Just Park IT.
Everybody has pretty much said it its b s
The government doesn’t help anybody their like
Vampires always thinking of ways to suck the life
Out of the working man and calling it for your own good
Under the heading of safety the dont give a dam about safty
It’s just a term they have less argument out of
The electronic log book is a “JOKE”! Drove for one company that had the electronic log book and the COMPANY would over-write my log entry to manipulate an un-realistic availabilty of hours to drive. I finally resorted to buying a paper log book at a truck stop and started keeping a paper log. At one point I notified the trucking company I would be out-of-hours soon. Their response was, “According to your electronic log, you have several hours that you can still drive”. It was at that point that I advised them that I had been maintaining a paper log and if they persisted in demanding that I continue driving, I would stop at the 1st weigh station and request an inspection and at that point, bring to light the flaw of companies having the ability to manupulate a drivers electronic hours of service for their own self serving reason/s. Their first response was a scare tactic, “If you have a paper log, then you have 2 log books going and that is ILLEGAL”. I remained adament. They decided that I was not going to back down. I shut down due to being out-of-legal-hours to drive. What ends up occuring when a driver stands up to the letter-of-the-law for logging, the company provides very few loads and starves a driver out till they quit. I quit. Companies shower drivers with loads, that eqauate into a lot of money if they allow themselves to be manupulated but if an accident occurs, then the company blames and distances themselves from the driver and points out that the driver should have known he/she was out of hours and should have shut down. In the end, the driver is the one that loses for standing up for what is right & legal.
If FMCSA is taking public comment on this issue you should submit your comment to them. The proposed rules look nice on paper but in the real world carriers can always send a driver 500 miles from home and starve them if they take advantage of the alledged protections.
The FMCSA’s public comment time has expired on the matter. I would have appreciated learning sooner that they were accepting submission’s because I would have not only provide the chronology above but the name & addess of the trucking company I drove for as well
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voyager express, denver. flooded headlights, power steering leaking to the ground, fan clutch broken, windshield wiper blades don’t fit holders,rotted,one only 6 inches long, windshield falling out and leaking, heater controls fell into dashboard, air ride broken and held together with duct tape, Broken fifth wheel that will not tilt…not pinned…,
bald drive tires and 6 broken tire chains, when objected to, safety manager will not replace tires, dvir copy not returned to driver, all in one month,
company owner jeff digby came out and knee-led on passenger side seat, praying out loud that driver would not quit, after telling driver he would not pay driver last paycheck, maintenance head filled out dvir, did not sign, but stated plainly on dvir that windshield had been fixed, then glass company showed up, dispatcher called driver while driver on 10 hour break, asleep…trying to force driver to come to work, then company gave driver truck with dead batteries, said had to work……
Funny thing about all that….Good ol’ boys in State Patrol(good friends with Voyager, Voyager lent them a truck and driver for cadet training, got nice letter from State Patrol, check their website at Voyager..) were notified…no concern for harassment of driver, neither did Colorado Labor board or Colorado Department of Revenue….no replies…as driver is local and not under 24 out rule for per diem… not qualified for per diem…meaning company not paying proper taxes…company policy on paper.
No replies except that the Department of labor sent a letter sayin driver was classified as an interstate driver, even though driver is local and never goes out of state…so Colorado Department of Labor not responsible…..
None of these but one ever drove a truck.
Now this is but one example of driver harassment..
By the way, driver has video and pix, copies of DVIR’s and correspondence to above entities.
well. no 1 is gonna approve of this and its just a quick comment.
I run elogs. I actually have run my own elogs for 12 yrs. now those records i turn in are edited
alot lol..
I have worked for 3 companies with elogs. I actually made a decent payck.
because i didnt let the computer tell me when to go or stop. I told it when I was stopping.
I use split sleeper..I use my computer with an elog program on it..free download at
http://www.driversdailylog.com dont buy the program off someone in a truckstop..its bogus.
I use the program to project my schedule. thinkin in advance. I was able to actually gain 2 hrs over the course of 70 hr week.
yes the 168 hr rules sucks a big 1.
but also..trucking companies need to raise the wage..theres the true issue.
we work damn hard..and yes 18 to 21 hr days..and havent even moved the truck..
I look forward to that 69th hr..lol..
anyway..my take on all this is..WE NEED A RAISE DANGIT.. more incentive in getting a wage
comparable to all the blood sweat and hours we put in!!!!
Ummm dude thats not an e-log….. 1999 called they would like you to return there technology. Catch up with the times please.
if we want to be heard , we have to organize , become one voice . that driver was right , when he said we are the backbone of this country . don’t get angry , get smart . most of the older drivers , all we ever did , was drive a truck , that’s all we ever wanted to do . I have 38 years out on the road , I have two years to go , and im retired , I still want to see the industry get better for the drivers that still are coming behind me , until they can retire . most driver are in debt , for one reason , or another . this is the reason we cant be heard , most of the drivers cant afford to shut down for a couple of months , simply because you have not taken care of your money , the way that you should have . we can shut this country down at any time ,we control this industry , not the law makers . until all of the drivers understand this fact , you have no voice , your opinon means nothing , just idle words with no weight .
Truer words have never been spoken
The time has come for all trucks to shut down the industry. People have to come together for a common cause. Freight brokers ripping us off, state dot ripping us off and not to mentions the courts. People need to save up for 2 months and strike for a week or until this ooida starts helping the drivers out instead of sitting back doing nothing. If we can get common grounds on a shut down we can get the pay we want not the minimal they want to give us. If truckers in other countries can do it why not us. High price fuel for nothing, drivers out 3 to 5 weeks at a time just to stay above ground while some companies give drivers .25 cents a mile or 89 to 95 cent to owners operators yet the bro hers only try to give 1.50 and keep the fuel surcharge. It’s bad enough some of us fought for this country only to get buttfukk . If any one can get it going I have drivers who are willing to park for a week or two
If anyone thinks they can’t afford shutting down for a week or two, think about how much you can’t afford an extra paycut over the term of the first year those boxes get installed in your truck. We all know that shippers aren’t going to just up the cash to the drivers to help with the extra time we’ll be under their load. And I’m sure some workings can be done to put brokers in check to during a shutdown.
10 to 20 % reduction in driver wages for the 30 % of reporting companies and that is just now…
who’s not reporting?
So, I’ve been running for 2 years on eobr via Peoplenet and Qualcomm. What is the big deal? You make a mistake and correct it. All without talking to anyone. How greedy are you that you need to drive with 2 or 3 logbooks? Give me a break. This isn’t the issue you should be getting up in arms about. The people complaining the loudest seem to be the ones that can’t figure out these electronic thingies. Please. This isn’t going to go away. Shut up and conform or leave. I don’t want your tired, fatigued, non-sleeping truck on the highway. Besides, the more of you that leave, the more money I’ll make picking up your slack.
Spoken like a true newbie! I started driving in 1986 and we did not even have Qual-Com then. You can see my post I made earlier, just hit the edit button, go down to find, click on it and type in my name, it takes you straight to it. Thought you might need directions because you obviously have litte apparent knowledge in trucking. When did you get out of school? When the CDL came out, I was Grandfathered in. Now tell me about all your wisdom. Us older drivers can use a smirk/laugh….we’ll even twist our heads back and forth in disbelief of your apparent/obvious lack of wisdom. I’ve run with E-books (as you call them) and my experience is so stated in my prior comment. Oh yeah, I was one of those educated idiots that went to college and majored in business administration and maintained a 3.6 gpa and fell into trucking and never looked back.
You are the exact type of person, they count on to push this crap forward
Thiers a lot of young and new drivers out in the trucking ind. And a few of them have young familys at home to support . Everyone knows that the job of driver carrys a lot of reponsablity and that sorry to say that I have yet to see a driving school out there , that does more than teach to pass the test. so we end up with a lot of drivers that haven’t been taught the comen sense part of the job. when I started to drive back in 1972 I wasn’t old enouf for interstate driving yet I run with my uncle and moms boy friend and they taught me the finer points of driving such as the little things to watch for when in traffic that give you a clue what some car might be getting ready to do so you can be ready if they do do it. or the finer points of backing in to that hard to get in to dock between trucks with a fence 10 feet in front of your so you have jackknife in and all that with center point steering . no power steering in a lot of trucks back then. most drivers would go out of their way to help a stranded motorist even if it made them a little late getting to there destination. most cars had respect for truck drivers back then. then driving schools came along at first big companys teaching for themselves put a guy out there with 4weeks training in mostly flate country then send them to or,wa,utah, Wyoming. snow ice steep long grades and then drivers get in trouble. you have more and more accidents the public cries out the feds say we know how to fix that and of we go to where we are to day I put a lot of the blame on the big companys they could of step up and said we need to have more training before a driver is on his own . and not ground the rates down to the point that they cant pay wages higher than they were in the early 80s. when you compare inflation from then to now a truck should be making between 4to5 dollars a mile and drivers should be making about 30.oo an hour average for all time gone from home. not 11.00 to 15.00 then big companys wonder why they have 90% turn over drivers just trying to find truly good wages and nice place to work for.
I hear ya and agree. Talked to a team driver that referred to his team as a dumb and dummer team. I ask why he referred to himself and his co-driver that way and he said he had completed a company-sponsored truck drivers training course, made his 1st solo trip ‘accident–free’ and his company was putting another driver, fresh out of their school with him so he could get a couple weeks of experience. I drove a little faster to provide more distance between us….lol Thought about it and he was right, it was a Dumb & Dummer Team….lol
For the turn over rate of trucking companies, a lot of companies have a 300% plus turn over rate and they wonder why?
“These are the rules, but there isn’t any penalty for breaking them.” Hilarious, and so typical of the way government screws drivers while favoring transport companies.
You all complain because you cheat on your paper logs.
Its long past time that EOBR’s are standard equipment in every CMV.
Don’t like the rule, find another line of work.
Read my prio post. Unless the government impliements VERY exacting laws and VERY heavy fines & penalties to the trucking company/s, that forbids trucking company/s from accessing and re-structuring a drivers electronic log book, as I had the unfortunate experience of having happen to me, then the only thing that is changing, is who re-writes what happens and when. It is not a matter of Oh God, I can’t make a living! It’s being manupulated by your company to do what is not LEGAL. As a Professional Driver I’ve never had an accident, 1 log book violation (forgot to drop my line from off-duty to driving) & no I was not out of hours, 1 speeding ticket in my 3rd year of driving truck (1989). You newbies need to get a grip on this, your hearing but your not listening!! Us older drivers prefer to drive legal, it flows with the our natural aging process. Less stress, I’ll take that, any time, No Log Book for me to error on? I can definately appreciate that too. What I don’t want is for the e-log to be manupulated by the company I driver for….ever! I know when I’m out-of-hour’s and when I’m tired and not feeling well or sick.
funny thing there, the companies/shipper-receivers and dispatchers are still doing this with paper logs, before logs, and this is the HISTORY of trucking… drivers not paid a living wage on 168 hours of FLSA. no overtime, so why do we work on a time clock, log book or otherwise..
You , as a driver , are the captain of the ship…..is it the infamous Exxon Valdez??
first line out of the mouth of a company mouth piece….
Congress, with the FLSA, companies/brokers/shippers and receivers/dispatchers and the ever present new age insurance companies foist the ‘Real Lie’ on every one , including truckers.
That is ‘ that the driver has full responsibility for the equipment/logbook and so on’.
all of a sudden, when the shipper/ receiver/broker dispatcher have cooked your log book for keeping you setting 10/12/24 hours and now want the load there yesterday….somehow that immediately becomes the driver’s emergency.
Truck Mounter, you sound just like Anne Ferro and I quote fro this website…”In response to which, Ferro commented that her job was not to help the industry, but to improve the safety of it.
Truck Mounter, lead follow or get the hell out of the way.
go take a nap at anne Ferro’ desk….
It’s time for drivers to man up and stop working for free….Insted of whining about not being able to keep being exploited and wanting to work 24/7….How about a living wage for a 40 Hour Week???
What’s the fuss, virtually all fleets have Qualcomm and the company knows all this crap anyway. If you are good at what you do, find a company that appreciates that and treats/pays you accordingly. There are those companies out there.
Unfortunately, if the FMCSA changes policy and mandates electronic log books for 100% of all class 8 trucks engaging in commercial transportation, there will no-longer be any of those companies left. It’s coming like a run-away locomotive! I remember when I started driving back in 1986, the old truck driver’s back then were up-in-arms over the FMCSA was allowing states to install scales in the highway prior to the weigh stations. They were madder than hell over it. Today, we all know those scales as being a part of “Pre-Pass” and saves about 4 hours on a cross-country (team) run, which in turn, equates into an additional $150.00 each, per week, in income. Yes, the paid miles on loaded & empty needs to be raised, because the cost of living is going to go up exponentially, especially with the proposed $10.10 hr (min wage) the federal govt is trying to get passed, if it happens, everything WILL cost more! Many things are occurring in government right now and I’m trying to stay abreast of them as best I can but it is almost mind boggling. I appreciate a good challenge, reckon that’s what captivated my attention with the trucking industry because it was always changing and still is. The best us older drivers can hope for is; to have the patience to impart some of our knowledge to the newbies, it’s hard when they seem to have all the answers straight out of trucking school…not! I use to train, fresh-out-of-school newbies (no, our company did not have a company sponsored truck drivers training school). The first day was always the best when the newbie would tell me how to do my log book. I’d look at them and say, “Oh, OK, I forgot that you drove till then” or something along that line). I’d let them show me how to log for a month and when they were ready to quit because they were not making as good ah money as they thought they should, I’d ask them if it was the money that was their motivation and it always was. I’d then tell them to log “my way”. Two weeks later they were always tickled to death, to see how much their paychecks had impoved. Never had to re-teach logging after that first real-paycheck..lol
Maybe it’s time that truckers file a class action lawsuit on the FMCSA for enforcing laws on truckers these same laws that are not enforced on four wheelers. The four wheel drivers break these same laws everyday. I would call this harassment, and really if the concern was safety then why are these four wheelers not having these same laws implemented in them.
When 4 wheelers have to abide by the same rules then fine. If I have to wear a headset to drive then why don’t the 4 wheelers? All this BS to supposedly make the roads safer for the 4 wheelers when the 4 wheelers are the cause of most of the accidents. Yackin on the cell phone in the middle of the freeway driving 10 or more mph under the limit, or texting while driving. 4 wheelers you may have made it home through rush hour today, but one of these days while your weaving across lanes and cutting off trucks there will be consequences.
End at will hiring for carriers…meaning a carrier must have cause to fire. And fine heavily trucking companies with regularly high turnover rates. Drivers complain with their feet. Make the assumption that if you losing drivers regularly. That may be recognized as a road hazard. Stop going in on the driver of the truck. Whom already is doing much lifesaving, everyday.
Your absolutely right! States that have the “At-Will” hiring/firing (for those of you that don’t understand the “At-Will” law, it means that any company, in that state that hires/fires you, don’t have to provide a reason, that is why it is called “At-Will”. It can be because you ran out-of-hours and shut down legally but once your load is delivered, the trucking company fires you and they don’t have to provide you with a reason..period! You can protest all you want but the states that have adopted the “At-Will” hiring/firing law, your just unemployed and really should get a copy of your DAC Report. Companies typically list on your DAC Report why you were terminated so other companies that are considering hiring you, will know of any improprities they experienced with you. If inaccurate information exists on your DAC Report, it can be removed but you have to be the one to initiate the request.
Here is the link to get a DAC Report:
http://www.usis.com
From there, go to the web page, and scroll down to “consumers”……click onto that link.
Read the page where it says something like, “obtain a copy of your DAC/USIS report”
click onto that link.
Print up the pages, all 5(?) of them I believe.
You are entitled to ONE (1) FREE report each year or, a FREE report if you have been denied a job and in a letter to you, they mention they got thier information from DAC/USIS.
Now fill out that form, COMPLETELY, as it pertains to you. Be sure to “check-off” free copy.
You NEED to get a photo copy of your (current) driver’s license, AND your Social Security Card. THESE ARE NEEDED AS PROOF AS TO WHO YOU ARE……..!!
You then mail all this stuff off to USIS/DAC, and wait about a 2-3 week period.
When your report comes in the mail, READ IT CAREFULLY……….
If ANY THING HAS BEEN ENTERED NEGATIVELY ABOUT YOU, OR YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH ANYTHING, you will NEED to go back to the website (www.usis.com) and go back to “consumers”, then look for the “dispute” link, (or whatever its called), it may say “re-buttle” as well.
Same process, print it up, copies of your license AND SS card, mail it off…….
Long drawn out process, but this is the way it is……..
Hope this helps.
I already have a camera in my truck , as well as an eobr I can’t even hit a pothole in the road without getting pulled in to explain what happened. it’s a total waste of time on every conceivable level. If your company can’t harrass you buy using the eobr they will just call you. Bottom line is its a lot of useless words and wasted valuable government time and money just so they can track every truck. (Micro management on the ultimate level). One of the previous comments was dead on correct everybody and I mean EVERYONE!! (including people not in this business) Needs to make an effort to contact the political leaders in their area and let it be known they will not be getting their vote in the next election if something isn’t done (remember in this country actions really do speak louder than words) it is your right VOTE PUT UP SIGNS GET THE PUBLIC INVOLVED PICKETT THE WHITE HOUSE IT’S YOUR RIGHT!! YOUR VOICE CAN’T BE HEARD IF YOU DON’T SPEAK OUT
Instead of keeping this argument going, let us do something about it. Click on this link, and sign this petition against this ridiculous proposal!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-eobr-mandate-heavy-trucks/zrcmrQz4
Gentlemen aka Truckers, click on the link above and do what you feel is right and vote to repeal/stop the implimentation of the EOBR aka electronic log books. I’ve just sent it out on Tweeter and sent out on Facebook so other’s can be made aware too. It will take 99,081 votes to end it there are only 916 at present and that includes my vote. So…VOTE!! You send email? Cut and Paste the address AndreK provided and use it in the signature block of all your email so every email you send, the link will go there as well. I’ll do it this very night! Ask the folks that receive your email, to cut and paste the address into their signature block too, in so doing, it will reach a lot more people in less time. We only have till April 18th, 2014 to reach the needed number of signed petitioners and best of all it is electronic and no postage necessary and it’s easy to do!
THANKS ANDREK!!!!
AndreK, THANK YOU!! So much for sharing the web address!!! I’ve not stopped since reading your post with the petition addy. Everyone, truckers, fishing buddies, family, friends, acquaintences, everyone I have in all my contacts list on my phone, social media, Yahoo have all been contacted and I’ll do more to help stop the EOBR from becoming law. We live in a wonderful age of the internet and modern technology. ie; sent a txt to a lady friend in Washington state, (I live in Oklahoma), 15 seconds passed and she called me before reading the txt, now that’s fast! She and her friends are in to trucking and they are getting involved too. We can all do the same, we just have to want this petition to reach the goal of 100,000 to stop eobr aka electronic log book, from becoming a Federal Law. Together, we can do it before the next 24 hours is up, just have to get enough people inv0lved. That’s why I sent the web addy to the guy’s I go fishing with, they have contacts too that have contacts, that have contacts….etc..
I for one has had it with the Regs,the harassment and the unbelievable disregard for common sense safe driving exhibited by both 4 wheelers and far too meany “Steering Wheel Holders” on the road these days. 25+ years no chargeables, no tickets,no out of service. Life OOIDA member, no fun no more. Wishing you guys who are still in good luck and clear roads, I’m going FISHING!!
Just like they enforce unsafe driving around trucks and everything else – its BS. They didn’t mention a ban on calling a driver when he’s on break. FIRST they need to get something that REALLY works – the Qualcom/Omnitracks is a POS. I’ve provided extensive documentation for a six month period of all the problems in a PowerPoint Presentation that nobody wanted to see. The system is inaccurate, is a bad design and implementation, does not provided the security of accurate logs as most believe – yes they can be altered and defeated.
The other thing that should be looked at are the stock holdings, kickbacks, and favors garnered from the companies that stand to profit from this legislation by those making it law. Nothing like legislating you company to profitability.
So we’re monitored by cameras everywhere, EasyPass, PrePass, GPS/EBOR, etc. It’d be nice to have two way monitoring of driver managers and load finders so you can see why you don’t have a load Friday afternoon before a 3 day weekend when they get to go home and you spend your time in some sh*t hole.
The first two fleets I worked for were a trainer fleet, and a fleet that required 1 year experience. The first fleet had the new qualcomms. We drove cross country in 62 mph trucks. Seldom did my driver manager bother me. The second one, had white trucks and trailers ith a giant red heart on the side. I got to drive all night and then got then routinely got woke up on my 10 hour break to make 5 phone calls to work out the details of my next load. they had peoplenet. but it had nothing to do with hours.
No one cares about the inmate in the rolling jail cell. Get a few years in and find a local 9-5 job. Then go to school and find a real job. Trucking is a joke. I’m still trying to figure out why some of my truck driving friends think over the road is great. Or working 18 hours a day is a great way to make a living. I’d say it’s because they are institutionalized. I work 730-4 everyday,seldom work weekends, overtime after 40, uniforms, 9 paid holidays, vacations, 2 types of insurance, 401k and work 10 minutes from the house, driving the yard truck.
Let the immigrants drive like slaves guys. Get a local job that’s easy. Or, buck up sissy pants. You made your bed, now sleep in it. I actually enjoyed trucking the first year and a half. Since then, it’s been more bs day in and day out. Why put up with it for the wages most of the large fleets are paying?
Simply put, trucking is a Life Style that you love or you hate. If you don’t like the life style of a truck driver, then please, by all means, go to college or what-ever career choice you make and pursue it. I went to college first, majored in Business Administration, maintained a 3.6 gpa and fell into a trucking career and NEVER looked back. I loved the life-style, most of the people I came into contact with. Could not imagine going back into an office environment again, where the only way to get a change-of-scenery, is to have an interior decorator come in and change the decor of my office or fire my secretary.
ITS TIMR FOR ALL DRIVERS TO PARK THEM AND SHOW THE GOVER:MENT WE CAN STOP ALL THIS BS FROM THE GOVERMENT
Read AndreK’s post above. This is going to be the ONLY way to defeat this!
Thanks for being here (thetruckersreport.com). It brings together the very people that can, if they want to, in a civilized manner, bring about change by sheer numbers if everyone care’s & share’s the link provided to defeat this.
Been good to my word. Cut and Pasted https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-eobr-mandate-heavy-trucks/zrcmrQz4 into my email signature block and sent email to everyone and ask them to do the same. Most are in the trucking industry as driver’s or small fleet owners & I’m sure they want this defeated too.
I also posted on Facebook & Twitter to cover a broader group. I’m trying to help kill this but we all need your help to make it happen!
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE. It’s the only thing right now that matters, period!
Now you go do the same. Please!
Actually, the FMCSA is violating truckers’ constitutional rights. Prisoners have more rights than truckers. If at any time during your 10 hours off, you leave your bunk (going to the restroom) without going to line one, you have violated federal law. But, prisoners have bathroom facilities in their cells, (which, by the way, are much larger than the cab of a truck). If you go to line one during your 10 hour break, you have violated your 10 hour rule. Kind of a catch 22, don’t you think? And our illustrious government leaders came up with that idea! The government has been sticking their noses into trucking and reeking havoc for the last 20 years. Making it one of the most unhealthy jobs in the US. The trucking industry is a money maker for the government. Until truckers (the majority) take a stand together, this will never change. It happened in the 70s, (but trucking was a profession then, not just a job) and opened some important eyes, but with what’s out there now, I doubt it will ever happen. So many of these comments have hit the nail on the head. I wish all of you still out there on the road much luck and safety!
I’ve picked up my game plan on this, this morning and have sent txt’s to everyone also, that I don’t have an email for. Received 1 phone call this morning reference petition to stop EOBR from becoming a Federal Law. If you have access to a computer & printer, type this web address: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-eobr-mandate-heavy-trucks/zrcmrQz4 then cut & paste (high light the text typed, then push ctrl and hit C [cut] un-high light text, go down a couple of spaces then push and hold Ctrl then hit V [this will paste/drop the text], keep doing this till you have a page full, then cut each one out and hand out at truck stops. Together, we can achieve the 100,000 votes needed by April but everyone has to take part to make it happen. Please, Please, Please get involved and do what truckers have been renouned to do, Talk about what matters to them and what they believe in. If you don’t have a computer & printer at hand, then txt, email, call, post on Facebook, Twitter or any other Social Media you use. I’ve not smitted anyone in my contacts list, everyone has been sent this web address. You can too, all you have to do is get involved. Think of OLD truckers or truckers that are now disabled and can’t drive and that are not on the road any more that you know and send the web address to them and ask them to participate and for them to contact those people that will be affected if this becomes law…you get the picture. Now go! The bottom line is this: Trucking companies will pass the cost of doing business on to the shipper, the shipper to the Warehouse, on to the retailer and ultimately the consumer pays for the added cost’s to trucking so eminently by stopping this bill, you will be keeping more of your hard earned money in your pocket in the end & we all want more money to with as we want.
It will get passed like all the other BS laws we have shoved up our butts. There are no more real truck drivers left out here, we are all bullied, winy, “Beatches”. who will for the millionth time roll over, smile and say to the authorities “Thank You, I know you are all doing this because you are trying to make our highways safer” What a load of crap, that’s what they keep hiding behind, as they rip your income, freedom, respect and even self respect from you and your families. Once again you will wine a bit on the CB, but nothing will happen, you will all wimp out, like always and work even harder to try and recoup your losses and feed your families. Good luck when that shows up Im movin on.
I posted a comment earlier but I see its gone. Just for the record, you cannot cause th e EOBR to erase data by a touch of a keystroke. I was only kidding about that, so if any DOT officers are reading this, it was simply a joke. I used EOBRs for years and they were always very accurate. The company I worked for kept impecable records and are honest, good people to work for. I just despise EOBRs because it took away my independence. I’m a free thinker who doesn’t appreciate a machine to do my thinking for me. What is a driver reduced to? Steering wheel holder? A mindless flunky who does nothing but let someone in another state send messages to you about driving? I got use to it, and my company tolerated me taking my afternoon naps, sleeping in until after sunrise and driving into town to eat at that Mom n Pop restaurant I like so much. So EOBRs don’t really bother me. Whenever I had to spend 30 hrs. Waiting for my trailer, they thought I was on vacation. Well, at least I had a whole lotta fun shopping, going to movies, and attending community events. My advice is Relax!, Take it Easy!, Take your time! Enjoy each day like its your last.
quityerbitchin and sing the petition! Don’t give me an excuse about Oh I need to register to sign it so I’m not going to. Takes 2 minutes of your time to create an Email you will never use for anything but this login if you’re worried about spam. Hell you don’t even have to use your real name on that account. If you’re not willing to sign this then don’t whine and complain, because you DESRVE an ELOG!
I don’t support elogs, nor do I care for anybody in favor of elogs or governors. I’ll give up my paper and triple digit truck when they pry them from the cold dead fingers of my other hand. Call me radical I don’t care, been around this for 22 years, And ever since 04 it’s gone to hell. And the damn mega carrier retards that continue to kill people day in and day out are the same idiots paying FMCSA to skew statistics because they want the independents out so they can take total control of the market because they don’t make enough hauling their cheap freight. Share the link to the petition everywhere you can we can and are the only ones who can stop this!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-eobr-mandate-heavy-trucks/zrcmrQz4#thank-you=p
Also, once you have signed the petition, you have the option of posting the petition web site onto Facebook, Twitter, etc…I did and this morning, I located my posted petition, went down and clicked share. In so doing, it moves it back on top of all posts. I’ll continue doing this till the 14th of April, which is the last day the petition can be signed. I’m trying everything I know to do to help stop this! We all need everyone to sign this petition! Thanks!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-eobr-mandate-heavy-trucks/zrcmrQz4
who made you god?
why should anyone have to register anything to be heard? Your dns/ip address is wide open to the NSA when your register..so don’t try to make anyone think you can’t be found!
No one is as you say ‘bitch-in’. There are some real safety and health concerns being voiced here, and most of the professional drivers are speaking about the real abuse they’ve encountered over the years, and are still doing their jobs anyway…that comes from a sense that they are serving a cause greater than themselves…so don’t think we are all naive and will just fill out and send away our privacy…
maybe you can get the editor/journalist here to provide a page we can sign a petition on, without government interference??
do you really think anything from truckers is going to be considered from the white house…the white house put Anne Ferro in place!
Your comment reminds me of the many that make the comment, “My vote don’t matter”. They are wrong and you are wrong too! I have nothing to hide. Do you? Apparently so because of your post and your reasoning behind it. If your un-willing to be a part of the solution, then get out of the way and stop bantering negatively about something that we, the American People have the right to vote on. We just have to be made aware some times specifically how to. I’ve provided good directions on how to obtain that vote. Now it’s up to each reader to consider whether the matter is important to them. My life is an open book. Living with integrity is not easy some times but it definitely beats looking over your shoulder wondering who’s going to get me….
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-eobr-mandate-heavy-trucks/zrcmrQz4
you’ve already been taken.
More than one of us are tired of being hijacked by the socialists of this country.
Obama put Anne Ferro in place and you don’t seem to be aware she and her ilk are not after your good welfare. She just told the Congressional committee that FMCSA is about safety, not helping the American Trucker. And no, your right to vote on the matter has been usurped, long ago, by bankers, insurance industry, bureaucrats
You may not value your privacy,
yet many others , as my self do, so keep your life an open book if you wish, you know ,like twitter, facebook,etc. Where your life becomes a meaningless book of gossip and rumor.
Every time , that’s the new way of doing business, put your life on a computer.
I always get a kick out of “We, the American People”, and’ you must have something to hide’,so you try to use your words to bully people out of your way, and I have yet to see you explain the benefit of a petition on a government controlled website. A group in Texas just tried that, and not much happened there either.
If you put 3,000,000 plus CDL signatures there, the powers that be have no mandate to do anything.
This action must come from Congress, who has the power to control Transportation.
This present administration is not about helping “We The American People”, and definitely not about helping the average American Trucker. It is about control and power and is definitely ineffective ant re powering the economy.
Obama is the one who sent Ray LaHood, in secret, to sign NAFTA, that record is in the public domain, and Anne Ferro and company, whom she represents, just snubbed Congress, and are arrogant and not , as she says,’ Helping the industry’. Did you hear any fallout from that?
NO.
I have to bring to light again that the web address to vote was provided by AndreK March 22, 2014 at 7:26 am. With-out AndreK’s input into this matter, I’d be as lost as everyone else is and AndreK should be thanked by all that have taken the time to vote and made their voices heard!
Thanks Again Andre K!!!
There will always be those that will say you, an American Citizen has “No Say” in pending legislation. They are wrong! The only one’s that “will” make a difference, are the one’s that want their voice/s heard. By clicking on the link below, you not only will be able to vote on this issue but you will registered to vote on future issues pending that you want your voices heard on. Don’t let anyone tell you, your vote don’t matter because it does.
Yes I re-posted this to my Facebook page this morning to keep it on top. Integrity is doing what you say you’ll do, when you say you will do it. Stand up for things you believe in and don’t let anyone side line you. Together, we can achieve much!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-eobr-mandate-heavy-trucks/zrcmrQz4
F.M.C.S.A. the guys in the coops are going to help you from being harassed! Just say that out loud and feel how stupid the statement is!
This is just another plan to enslavement! Socialist are here and are about to enslave this country….ask Venezuela how things go down. Its the same play book they always use
Not knocking the petition effort by Andre…Good for him, if that is how one wishes to cast their vote.
These really don’t change anything. The only people losing money or have a difference in routine are the ones that were falsifying records. All I hear is wah wah wah it’s hard to break the law wah wah wah. Everyone whose used it that isn’t ignorant knows it doesn’t create a privacy concern, and is actually a pretty convenient way to keep track of your hours. People seem to think they can’t be edited. They can be, if you made an honest mistake. It’s just instead of wiping the original information, both gets recorded. If you have a legitimate reason to make the edit then it’s fine. If you make an edit to cover something up, it’ll be more noticeable.